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		<title>By: Dr W-L Sim</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr W-L Sim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please do NOT move the bus station away from downtown.  The present downtown is easily and conveniently located.  I can see NO advantage moving away from downtown.  

I practise in Ottawa and Montreal.  I rely on the downtown location of the bus station.  Moving it will destroy my practice.

 Please add my signature to the petition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do NOT move the bus station away from downtown.  The present downtown is easily and conveniently located.  I can see NO advantage moving away from downtown.  </p>
<p>I practise in Ottawa and Montreal.  I rely on the downtown location of the bus station.  Moving it will destroy my practice.</p>
<p> Please add my signature to the petition.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Duggan</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Duggan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Magos, thanks for helping me to see the error of my ways. I didn&#039;t come on here to fight with people, just to make my points, and get out. I guess you&#039;re right though, everyone should speak their mind, and I should be more respectful of that. I just wanted to state some facts for Nathan, and maybe I came off as a little harsh. I guess I let my emotions get the best of me. Gee, now that I think about it more, maybe the terminal move isn&#039;t such a bad idea afterall...Thanks Magos!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Magos, thanks for helping me to see the error of my ways. I didn&#8217;t come on here to fight with people, just to make my points, and get out. I guess you&#8217;re right though, everyone should speak their mind, and I should be more respectful of that. I just wanted to state some facts for Nathan, and maybe I came off as a little harsh. I guess I let my emotions get the best of me. Gee, now that I think about it more, maybe the terminal move isn&#8217;t such a bad idea afterall&#8230;Thanks Magos!</p>
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		<title>By: Magos</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pointing at you because you told someone to either agree or not bother talking.  I see people at the market putting the message out there and if the people they talk to come to this site see that opponents are told to &quot;shut up&quot; they may leave with a negative impression. It had nothing to do with the fact you disagree with Nathan. Feel free to. I disagree with one of the statements Nathan made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pointing at you because you told someone to either agree or not bother talking.  I see people at the market putting the message out there and if the people they talk to come to this site see that opponents are told to &#8220;shut up&#8221; they may leave with a negative impression. It had nothing to do with the fact you disagree with Nathan. Feel free to. I disagree with one of the statements Nathan made.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Duggan</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Duggan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 03:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Magos:

United we stand, devided we fall. The website is called Keep It Downtown for a reason. And if you had taken a few minutes to read above my post, you&#039;d see I&#039;m not the only one who disagrees with Nathan, so don&#039;t single me out. I went to City Hall and got up and spoke. I&#039;m not saying I&#039;m the expert here, I&#039;m just pointing out some issues Nathan hadn&#039;t recognized. 

Nathan says &quot;trying to force them to keep doing business in a location that is no longer feasible in the name of convenience would be a major infringement on the freedom of the business owners&quot;. From the information I&#039;ve been supplied with, Acadian isn&#039;t being forced by anyone. They WANT to leave the location. I think what most people are trying to say is : there are alternatives, and we need City Council and the community to work together to find a more logical solution.

And if you agree it&#039;s a bad idea, why are you even bothering to point the finger at me? We need some unity here. C&#039;mon! The voting &quot;no&quot; on the issue was so that if the proposed location was NOT zoned for commercial/highway use, it may stall Acadian from going there, and buy some time for rational thought, and yes, I agree, some discussion for making this work. 

But hey, let&#039;s be honest, Acadian isn&#039;t attending any of these meetings. This deal is probably already decided for us anyway, so enjoy those cab fares, creating more pollution, and destroying the quiet neighbourhoods. 

I do not claim to be an expert on this Magos, and if you agree with most of the people on this post, point the finger at elected officials, instead of me, a single father &amp; student who relies on this service (where it is), to see my son on a semi-regular basis.

Sincerely,

Steve Duggan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magos:</p>
<p>United we stand, devided we fall. The website is called Keep It Downtown for a reason. And if you had taken a few minutes to read above my post, you&#8217;d see I&#8217;m not the only one who disagrees with Nathan, so don&#8217;t single me out. I went to City Hall and got up and spoke. I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;m the expert here, I&#8217;m just pointing out some issues Nathan hadn&#8217;t recognized. </p>
<p>Nathan says &#8220;trying to force them to keep doing business in a location that is no longer feasible in the name of convenience would be a major infringement on the freedom of the business owners&#8221;. From the information I&#8217;ve been supplied with, Acadian isn&#8217;t being forced by anyone. They WANT to leave the location. I think what most people are trying to say is : there are alternatives, and we need City Council and the community to work together to find a more logical solution.</p>
<p>And if you agree it&#8217;s a bad idea, why are you even bothering to point the finger at me? We need some unity here. C&#8217;mon! The voting &#8220;no&#8221; on the issue was so that if the proposed location was NOT zoned for commercial/highway use, it may stall Acadian from going there, and buy some time for rational thought, and yes, I agree, some discussion for making this work. </p>
<p>But hey, let&#8217;s be honest, Acadian isn&#8217;t attending any of these meetings. This deal is probably already decided for us anyway, so enjoy those cab fares, creating more pollution, and destroying the quiet neighbourhoods. </p>
<p>I do not claim to be an expert on this Magos, and if you agree with most of the people on this post, point the finger at elected officials, instead of me, a single father &amp; student who relies on this service (where it is), to see my son on a semi-regular basis.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Steve Duggan</p>
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		<title>By: Magos</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to direct a comment towards Steve Duggan.  One would think that getting a range of opinions on this subject would be important, but you dismiss Nathan and tell him to leave (or at least not to contribute) simply because he doesn&#039;t have opinions that exactly conform to yours.  How can you claim to know what&#039;s best for the community if you want to silence those in the community that might not think as you do?  If the only people who post here fully agree then you get a false sense of how many people truly support this issue.

Wouldn&#039;t it be better to have an honest discussion of the issue rather than self re-enforcing pats on the back. Before you jump on me for going against the effort, I&#039;m not, I just prefer honest discussion over rhetoric.  You might be fighting the good fight, but that doesn&#039;t mean you get an automatic pass.  You have to prove to those who don&#039;t think you&#039;re right that you are.  It&#039;s easy to convince the people that agree with you, but you have to convince the people that don&#039;t.

On to my comments about the issue...

This move is not good for the city, it not good for the people who use the bus, and I bet in the end it won&#039;t be good for Acadian.  It is a bad situation all around, but from the point of view of Acadian it was the quickest solution to allow them to remain operating.

I really don&#039;t know what the outcome of voting no on rezoning would have accomplished.  The city could work with Acadian to find a new location, but staying open is the most important thing for Acadian and time is a factor. If it&#039;s too much trouble to stay open in Fredericton then they would be forced to move outside the city.  I think we all agree that within the city limits is still much better than anywhere outside of them.

I noticed on the facebook page, people mentioned the train station.  It&#039;s not going to happen. The building is owned by Irvings, protected by federal law and would be way too expensive to bring up to code.  Acadian isn&#039;t going to put the money forward, and 15 years have already given you the Irvings answer.  The location is ideal, but there are too many factors for it to be the ideal location.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to direct a comment towards Steve Duggan.  One would think that getting a range of opinions on this subject would be important, but you dismiss Nathan and tell him to leave (or at least not to contribute) simply because he doesn&#8217;t have opinions that exactly conform to yours.  How can you claim to know what&#8217;s best for the community if you want to silence those in the community that might not think as you do?  If the only people who post here fully agree then you get a false sense of how many people truly support this issue.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be better to have an honest discussion of the issue rather than self re-enforcing pats on the back. Before you jump on me for going against the effort, I&#8217;m not, I just prefer honest discussion over rhetoric.  You might be fighting the good fight, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you get an automatic pass.  You have to prove to those who don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re right that you are.  It&#8217;s easy to convince the people that agree with you, but you have to convince the people that don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>On to my comments about the issue&#8230;</p>
<p>This move is not good for the city, it not good for the people who use the bus, and I bet in the end it won&#8217;t be good for Acadian.  It is a bad situation all around, but from the point of view of Acadian it was the quickest solution to allow them to remain operating.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know what the outcome of voting no on rezoning would have accomplished.  The city could work with Acadian to find a new location, but staying open is the most important thing for Acadian and time is a factor. If it&#8217;s too much trouble to stay open in Fredericton then they would be forced to move outside the city.  I think we all agree that within the city limits is still much better than anywhere outside of them.</p>
<p>I noticed on the facebook page, people mentioned the train station.  It&#8217;s not going to happen. The building is owned by Irvings, protected by federal law and would be way too expensive to bring up to code.  Acadian isn&#8217;t going to put the money forward, and 15 years have already given you the Irvings answer.  The location is ideal, but there are too many factors for it to be the ideal location.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Duggan</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Duggan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nathan:

Have you been following this issue, or are you just dropping in here to try and interfere with our cause? You seem to be going against the effort here. If you support City Council&#039;s decision, then you should go down to City Hall and give Woodside &amp; Co. (excluding the brave three who voted against the re-zoning) a big ol&#039; pat on the back for their efforts! Otherwise, quit posting on a site that is trying to make positive change! 

What does your opening line even mean (If it weren’t for them, we wouldn’t have accessible transportation to begin with.)? Do you think that throwing in elusive statements will somehow change our minds? It&#039;s the same as City Council sitting there Monday night saying &quot;this area is already zoned for highway/commercial use&quot;...what the hell? C&#039;mon, Nathan - this is a common sense issue. And I haven&#039;t even mentioned the environmental impact here...

And furthurmore, this isn&#039;t a matter of &quot;forcing&quot; Acadian to stay downtown, rather it is about getting City Council to work in conjunction with Acadian to find a place that would be condusive to community needs &amp; values. 

Hey Nathan: Are you really excited about increasing carbon emissions? How about spending an extra $20 to get to and from the new terminal? If you owned a house on Serenity Lane, would you be happy having buses, taxis, and couriers driving up and down your street all day? Do you even rely on this service? If so, you should be supporting this cause instead of coming on here and supporting a massive blunder, and trying to convince us that WE are the ones who are wrong! 

Now, I realize you can come on here and speak your mind, but I wonder if you&#039;d be able to comfortably express your views to an audience of upset students, small business owners, and environmentalists in person? I stood up at City Hall and expressed my views! Maybe you should have come down and told everyone about what a great decision this is! I somehow don&#039;t think you realize the impact these decisions are going to have on our community. 

Or maybe you&#039;re just content having Woodside &amp; Co. make the decisions for you? Trust me, if we say nothing, they WILL decide what is best for us...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan:</p>
<p>Have you been following this issue, or are you just dropping in here to try and interfere with our cause? You seem to be going against the effort here. If you support City Council&#8217;s decision, then you should go down to City Hall and give Woodside &amp; Co. (excluding the brave three who voted against the re-zoning) a big ol&#8217; pat on the back for their efforts! Otherwise, quit posting on a site that is trying to make positive change! </p>
<p>What does your opening line even mean (If it weren’t for them, we wouldn’t have accessible transportation to begin with.)? Do you think that throwing in elusive statements will somehow change our minds? It&#8217;s the same as City Council sitting there Monday night saying &#8220;this area is already zoned for highway/commercial use&#8221;&#8230;what the hell? C&#8217;mon, Nathan &#8211; this is a common sense issue. And I haven&#8217;t even mentioned the environmental impact here&#8230;</p>
<p>And furthurmore, this isn&#8217;t a matter of &#8220;forcing&#8221; Acadian to stay downtown, rather it is about getting City Council to work in conjunction with Acadian to find a place that would be condusive to community needs &amp; values. </p>
<p>Hey Nathan: Are you really excited about increasing carbon emissions? How about spending an extra $20 to get to and from the new terminal? If you owned a house on Serenity Lane, would you be happy having buses, taxis, and couriers driving up and down your street all day? Do you even rely on this service? If so, you should be supporting this cause instead of coming on here and supporting a massive blunder, and trying to convince us that WE are the ones who are wrong! </p>
<p>Now, I realize you can come on here and speak your mind, but I wonder if you&#8217;d be able to comfortably express your views to an audience of upset students, small business owners, and environmentalists in person? I stood up at City Hall and expressed my views! Maybe you should have come down and told everyone about what a great decision this is! I somehow don&#8217;t think you realize the impact these decisions are going to have on our community. </p>
<p>Or maybe you&#8217;re just content having Woodside &amp; Co. make the decisions for you? Trust me, if we say nothing, they WILL decide what is best for us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hetherington</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Hetherington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it weren&#039;t for them, we wouldn&#039;t have accessible transportation to begin with. If we had a provincial busline from another source and they were coming in and interfering with it, I would agree entirely, but that isn&#039;t what&#039;s happening. They&#039;re merely taking their business elsewhere. Trying to force them to keep doing business in a location that is no longer feasible in the name of convenience would be a major infringement on the freedom of the business owners.

If our elected representatives are to ensure accessible transportation for everyone, they should start a provincially run bus system, not step on the right of business owners to take their business elsewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it weren&#8217;t for them, we wouldn&#8217;t have accessible transportation to begin with. If we had a provincial busline from another source and they were coming in and interfering with it, I would agree entirely, but that isn&#8217;t what&#8217;s happening. They&#8217;re merely taking their business elsewhere. Trying to force them to keep doing business in a location that is no longer feasible in the name of convenience would be a major infringement on the freedom of the business owners.</p>
<p>If our elected representatives are to ensure accessible transportation for everyone, they should start a provincially run bus system, not step on the right of business owners to take their business elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nathan - It is as simple as this -- when the actions of private businesses affect the rest of us then it is the government&#039;s duty to intervene.  Accessible transportation for everyone is something that I want my elected representatives to ensure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan &#8211; It is as simple as this &#8212; when the actions of private businesses affect the rest of us then it is the government&#8217;s duty to intervene.  Accessible transportation for everyone is something that I want my elected representatives to ensure.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Hetherington</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nathan Hetherington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I agree that moving the bus terminal to the Woodside Lane location is likely to be a poor business decision, I do not feel that it is anyone&#039;s place but the business owners and the people who live near Woodside lane to debate the relocation. As far as I am aware (do correct me if I&#039;m wrong) Acadian Bus Lines is a private business and as such it is a business decision to be made by them alone.

The reasons given above are valid for why it is a poor business decision, and I do hope that Acadian reconsiders, but ultimately their private business decisions (assuming they aren&#039;t unlawful) are not yours or mine to make, and I sincerely hope it stays that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that moving the bus terminal to the Woodside Lane location is likely to be a poor business decision, I do not feel that it is anyone&#8217;s place but the business owners and the people who live near Woodside lane to debate the relocation. As far as I am aware (do correct me if I&#8217;m wrong) Acadian Bus Lines is a private business and as such it is a business decision to be made by them alone.</p>
<p>The reasons given above are valid for why it is a poor business decision, and I do hope that Acadian reconsiders, but ultimately their private business decisions (assuming they aren&#8217;t unlawful) are not yours or mine to make, and I sincerely hope it stays that way.</p>
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		<title>By: jiohn</title>
		<link>http://keepitdowntown.org/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jiohn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there are many places they could use in the downtown area they dont need to move way the heck out there]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are many places they could use in the downtown area they dont need to move way the heck out there</p>
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